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Yeah. It was easy for me to learn to do this as a high school student, because I had already been very seriously studying classic guitar, I was already reading bass clef from playing the sousaphone in the band (as well as some piano lessons as a elementary school student), and so on, but learning to play the bass guitar (as a tuba player, and particularly if you are playing in one or more combos whereby you're playing current or past popular music and not doing a lot of reading notes on a staff written on a piece of paper or on a tablet) is good for your brain, and the instrument is very logically laid out.

Being tuned in fourths, as long as you (no not completely, but) somewhat avoid open strings, anything you play anywhere can be moved anywhere else on the neck and played in any key.
If you are a smaller person smaller hands, there are short neck basses that are more the length of a regular six string electric guitar, and even in first position a small hand can play one finger per fret, rather than feeling compelled to use string bass left hand technique.

Find someone to help you find an inexpensive bass with decent electronics and a nice straight neck. Anything else is like trying to play a broken tuba. The same goes for amplification. Often, 60 watts with a good sounding speaker is plenty of sound. Just as with tubas, it's risky to buy mail order from pictures, because even expensive basses sometimes have crappy necks which can't be straightened and issues with used amplifiers don't need to be expounded upon because those are already understood by everyone reading this. I can't emphasize enough how much work it is to play a bass guitar with a crappy neck. Think of a tuba with sticky valves that can't be repaired.

There are so many places online ($0.00) that can show beginners how to get started and how to advance. It seems as though - for every pop song ever written - there's a YouTube video with someone demonstrating in detail how to play the prominent licks.

Being frank, if we individually don't sport this weakness, we know that tuba players as a group are the weakest of all brass players as far as reading or aurally dissecting complicated and/or funky rhythms. Playing pop music on the bass puts you right there in the midst of these rhythms. Of course, if playing jazz, a bass player is going to be expected to be able to play in 4/4 and - once someone begins to master this on the bass - they can transfer it to the tuba. The nice thing about doing most anything on a bass guitar is that it's all right there in front of your face and all the intervals can be visually interpreted (not that I recommend staring at the neck, as that becomes a crutch, and also doesn't look very good - amateurish? - on stage... Moreover, it's the same sort of hindrance as relying on staring at the keyboard when typing. Finally, if a bass guitar job involves reading music - whether notes on the staff, chord changes and slashes, or whatever - how in the world is a bass player going to be able to keep their place by staring at the neck 90% of the time and only glancing at the music 10% of the time? Yeah. The neck of a guitar needs to be as familiar as the slide is to a trombonist. That said, trombonists get to look at their slides, don't they? 🤣😂 )

Significantly and importantly, I believe that playing the electric bass (and playing the upright bass is wonderful, but the bass guitar is just so much more accessible to someone who has never played either) helps to pull tuba players away from defining their "music" as pieces of paper with lines and dots on them, and pulls them more towards being rounded musicians (whereby the music is inside ~themselves~, rather than thinking of "music" as pieces of paper). Again, this is possible to do with the tuba, but doing this on the bass guitar offers an easy bridge to doing this on the tuba - at least, that's the way it worked for me.

There are lots of bass guitars out there that are ready to go (maybe even with okay strings on them sometimes) used for under $200, and the same goes for amplifiers which have just enough power to use on stage, so realize that a person can outfit themselves (with carefully chosen used equipment) for about the same price as some tuba bags, mutes, and other tuba accessories. I've seen other boutique tuba mouthpieces that cost more, but were someone to choose every single add-on offered as options with my three-piece stainless steel mouthpieces, a mouthpiece can end up costing $300 😐 ... and I've seen some pretty decent a-bit-better-than-entry-level used basses in pawn shops for about that amount of money, occasionally.

I'm not just recommending this for amateur players. I'm actually recommending this for working professional tuba players and very serious tuba students who might even be enrolled in conservatories. For those who embrace the (voodoo?) about "you shouldn't play a different mouthpiece other than the one that you normally use", well... (with bass guitar) no mouthpiece. 🤣
Again, it really tends to widen a tuba-only player's definition of "music", expands the brain's ability to understand and interpret music (perhaps benefits unknown to me as well?), and I believe it can also improve one's TUBA playing, as this instrument is the same voice as the tuba, but simply played in a completely different way.

I hadn't played bass guitar for several decades, and - just this last year or so - have been roped back into it. I'm really glad. I forgot about how much pleasure it brought to me.

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Good post, Bloke, makes a lot of sense. When I was younger, many adult tuba players I knew player either bass guitar or double bass as well (possibly both?). Does knowing the bass guitar translate well to learning the double bass and/or vice versa? I've wanted to learn double bass forever but never pursued it, though I've been thinking more about it recently. Ideally I'd like to get to the level that I could play double bass in a community orchestra but that seemed like quite the tall task, which is the main reason I never started.
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I played bass in high school, mostly in a rock band. I had a Peavey 5-string that I sold to @humBell, who still has and uses(?) it, last I checked.

Totally self taught with likely horrendous technique. I haven't played in 20 years. It might be fun to pick back up again.
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gnimoyw wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2026 11:48 am Does knowing the bass guitar translate well to learning the double bass and/or vice versa? I've wanted to learn double bass forever but never pursued it, though I've been thinking more about it recently. Ideally I'd like to get to the level that I could play double bass in a community orchestra but that seemed like quite the tall task, which is the main reason I never started.
Knowing the transverse bass guitar translates far better to learning the upright double bass than does knowing the tuba! But if you you want to play in a community orchestra, then you need to be able to use a bow. The bow is to the double bass what the mouthpiece is to the tuba; the catch is that pizzicato is possible sans bow (jazz, bluegrass, etc.), but with the tuba we get nothing useful without the mouthpiece. Bow technique is every bit as nuanced as embouchure technique.

I serve as an anecdotal case study for learning double bass as an adult. In 2018 my young son expressed a desire to learn the fretless electric bass, and I couldn't find a teacher who would take a young student who didn't already have piano experience (a rant for another day), so I learned the instrument well enough to teach him. A couple years later he transitioned to the double bass, and I loved the sound so much that I also started learning to play it. After a couple years of moderate effort I shifted to intensive study for a full year, with six months of lessons interspersed. At that point I self-evaluated as playing at a high school level, and determined that in order to play (well) in a good community orchestra I needed an additional one to two years of study. Instead I decided to double down on the tuba; the path was shorter, life is short, and I love the instruments roughly equally. Meanwhile I can listen to my son already playing the double bass at a level I never aspired to.

Back to transverse bass as a step along the way to classical double bass. Fingerboard navigation has a lot of overlap, since the instruments are tuned the same. But the scale is substantially different, so while you can use 1-2-3-4 fingering on the entire transverse bass, for upright bass you mostly have to use 1-2-4 on the neck. Even if you have big hands, the amount of pressure required on the upright bass is next-level, and you're risking injury if you attempt 1-2-3-4. And fretted vs fretless is a big difference; if you start on a fretted instrument you'll have to learn more precise finger placement when you transition to fretless (whether transverse or upright). Regarding physical adaptations, your left hand will gain substantial flexibility as you repeatedly stretch for intervals, but you can't rush this adaptation. The transverse bass doesn't require much in the way of left-hand calluses, but boy howdy the upright bass sure does, and your finger strength will have to be built up slowly as well. Left hand physicality is a limiting factor much like embouchure fatigue is with brass instruments, and it will be difficult to play more than an hour per day for the first many months.
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People who can play faster electric bass than I can and who know more funky licks from more old songs sometimes comment that I have better "technique" than they do...(probably noticing that I'm applying classic guitar technique...??)
That just means that it's easier for me to perfect things, though they have perfected far more things than I have, because they have had more experience.
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gnimoyw wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2026 11:48 am Good post, Bloke, makes a lot of sense. When I was younger, many adult tuba players I knew player either bass guitar or double bass as well (possibly both?). Does knowing the bass guitar translate well to learning the double bass and/or vice versa? I've wanted to learn double bass forever but never pursued it, though I've been thinking more about it recently. Ideally I'd like to get to the level that I could play double bass in a community orchestra but that seemed like quite the tall task, which is the main reason I never started.
Well, I use mostly classic guitar technique to play the electric bass (and that's whether I hold the bass guitar correctly at a 45° angle or rest it on my right leg in the hillbilly fashion)... and my electric bass is so called "long neck" (the most common style). I don't have the world's largest hands, but I have pretty large hands, so I don't have any problem using one finger per fret in first position, and some standard funk licks on old songs that are always done using certain position shifts...I can occasionally do some work-arounds so that I don't have to resort to as many shifts on a few of those. With the double bass, in first position the half steps are so far apart that the technique which is taught to everyone is to skip using one of the fingers in first position for chromatic movement. Also with the right hand, I use classic guitar techniques: rest strokes and free strokes... That's not going to generate very much sound on a double bass for pizzicato. LOL

If I had to boil it down to super simple (risking offending a lot of people)...
Electric bass is pretty easy - like playing the euphonium at a fairly competent level, and playing double bass is pretty hard - like playing the tuba at a fairly competent level.

I've never seen much point in playing a fretless electric bass.
Truth be told, most of the people that I've heard play them (who are pretty darn good double bass players) play fretless basses out of tune. 🤣 It requires a lot of devotion and practice time to be able to play a fretless electric bass in tune, same as with trombone or any bowed stringed instrument with no frets.
(A long time ago, I bought an Ibanez electric bass - which had had its frets removed and filled in - and messed around with it for about a year. Due to the lines where the frets had been filled in, it actually offered a wonderful cheat, but it was still a lot of work.)
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I saw an ad on a bulletin board for a "country" band needing a bass guitarist, about 50 years ago. Since I already played classical guitar and read music, on a whim I contacted them. No audition, just ok, come join us. I borrowed a Beatle Bass from a friend and ended up on an LP. It was pretty funny. They were impressed with anything that wasn't root - fifth, so not like i had to learn fancy patterns or rhythms. Later in a community college band the band director found out I could play bass guitar and henceforth that was my position because they had no tuba. I'm sure there are musicians out there who play this as an instrument and not the way I did.
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I taught myself upright bass over the course of a few months back in 1995 or 1996. I got a free beater upright bass and fixed it up. Played it a lot in jazz and lounge lizard trios, making some (what was for me) very easy money in the process.

I taught myself bass guitar - sort of - but never really used it. I have a nice Peavey Grind 5-string that collects dust that needs all new pots due to cat pee. (Gee, thanks, Mina and Ray…)

My 1966 Kay C-1 upright has been gathering dust, but I may revisit it this summer. It needs a new back and a refinish job. (I hate the "classic" spray lacquer finish that just looks like crappy, brown paint.) I had it up for sale, but I really want to fix it up first. I have misplaced one of the two original machine heads. I replaced them with much more accurate (but very ugly), larger-geared individual machines that I now want to replace with two-on-a-head units that were made for this bass. If I ever get around to doing this luthier work, I might start to play it a lot again.

Someone here PMed me about it, but the message *somehow* got deleted. I was unable to reply to them about it being off the market for the moment.

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Exactly, @Mary Ann :thumbsup:

I mentioned this before, but (re: the little combo I'm working with) the band leader used to mostly play electric bass, but hiring me freed him up to play the trumpet/flugelhorn;and the keyboard more - when there are gigs that only supply enough money for four people.

He has remarked that I have better "technique" than him (which may - ?? - be true, considering that I was a classic guitarist), but he knows way more pop tunes than I do from the '60s to the present, because I've mostly been involved in jazz combos over the years.

That said, on tunes that aren't rock, disco, pop, funk, etc - whereby I'm more free to play a "feel" instead of specific expected bass lines (and without being ridiculous, and I think we all know what the definition of ridiculous is), I'll put some stuff into my lines which fills out the sound of the tiny little band. He notices and appreciates it. (The only time sort of avoid this is when we are doing ballroom dancing gigs, because those people probably need to hear something really simple in the bottom of the sound for their dancing.) I quoted him here on this once already: He told me (again, even though I'm working through learning all of the very specific bass lines expected on these rock, disco, pop, and funk tunes that the band plays...even a few Taylor Swift things 🙄 )
As much as I like playing bass, I like listening to you play it more.


I believe that this is because of my jazz background, and - when I can manage to "pre-hear" (ie. anticipate) that something is not going to happen in (be missing from)!the harmony, I'll strive to figure out how to incorporate it into the bass, and make it sound right (rather than awkwardly shoe-horned into the sound).
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Any recommended brands/makes of bass guitars?
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@the elephant

I would encourage you to do it.
I think it's been good for my brain/mind.

If you do this and your experience is anything like mine, it might be like reaching in the back of the closet and pulling out a pair of shoes that you used to wear a lot. They will have dried and shrunk a little bit and not feel quite right for a few days, but pretty soon they will restore themselves and the fit will feel just right again.
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prodigal wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:10 am Any recommended brands/makes of bass guitars?
anything with a good neck.
The neck of an electric bass is equivalent to the slide of a trombone.

Dirty electronics or even crummy electronics (which can be swapped out for not much money) are sort of like trombone bell dents. Trombone bell dents can be repaired really nicely and everything is just fine, but significant slide dents - even with the most artful trombone slide repair people - can often end up still being there in the background.

The same goes with a guitar neck which can't quite ever be straightened perfectly.

That said, many of them that are bowed downwards in the middle straighten up beautifully when someone - who knows what they're doing - cranks a little bit on the steel truss rod inside the neck.

The neck on my particular electric bass is ridiculously good. Having to concentrate on all of these oddly-written charts that I'm handed (which might combine bass clef, treble clef, chord symbols, and even word sentences - telling me to play the verse again or play the chorus again or some other instruction), I just don't need to be "aware" of having to play the instrument...and the same goes for all of my instruments.

I don't mean to keep going on and on, but some guitar necks - besides being bowed - are twisted, and this is really difficult to remedy, because truss rods pull from end to end and not from side to side.
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bloke wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:17 am
prodigal wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:10 am Any recommended brands/makes of bass guitars?
anything with a good neck.
The neck of an electric bass is equivalent to the slide of a trombone.

Dirty electronics or even crummy electronics (which can be swapped out for not much money) are sort of like trombone bell dents. Trombone bell dents can be repaired really nicely and everything is just fine, but significant slide dents - even with the most artful trombone slide repair people - can often end up still being there in the background.

The same goes with a guitar neck which can't quite ever be straightened perfectly.

That said, many of them that are bowed downwards in the middle straighten up beautifully when someone - who knows what they're doing - cranks a little bit on the steel truss rod inside the neck.

The neck on my particular electric bass is ridiculously good. Having to concentrate on all of these oddly-written charts that I'm handed (which might combine bass clef, treble clef, chord symbols, and even word sentences - telling me to play the verse again or play the chorus again or some other instruction), I just don't need to be "aware" of having to play the instrument...and the same goes for all of my instruments.
Weird semi-related question: Can Classical guitar necks be straightened. My favorite's is getting a little to high. No truss rod on this one.
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At least semi-straightened, I just need it a little flatter in 9-12 position.
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I need to shed the Real book as I am weak on memorized standards and do not read especially well. I do play well by ear and by staying focused on the pianist's left hand. I have learned a lot of tunes simply by working with the piano player in this way. OJT can sometimes be a good thing.

We have a dearth of decent bassists here, so the good ones never stop working, and I picked up a lot of the upright slack for them for about ten years. I love it, too. But I really hate dragging the bass, then the stool, then the amp, then the cable and mic bag, up narrow stairs into the kitchen door of a 2nd-storey venue that liked to have us out regularly, because my back, hips, and knees cannot withstand stairs very well WITHOUT all the gear, and with the gear and the repeated trips up and down, before and after the gig… I just can't do it anymore. I have thought seriously about an EUB and a Polytone amp/head combo.

[Polytone made some great, inexpensive gear back in the 1990s that was actually pretty lightweight and portable, with a pretty big, clear sound. My Ampeg cab is like 60 pounds! Maybe I need to make it a gig bag that I can sling over my back. My girly-man forearms certainly do not have the finger strength to haul it very far using the little handle on top!]
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I also tend to believe the same things about electric bass guitars that I do about mouthpieces... How much mass, how much weight, the type of material (whether a particular type of wood, or plastic, or even sometimes metal) I don't believe makes much difference at all (though the overwhelming majority of players do, just as with the overwhelming majority of beliefs about mouthpieces in these regards). As long as the instrument is stable with her good neck and set up well...and the electronics don't suck... It's going to play well.

I'm not a particular fan of the so-called acoustic electric basses with contact pickups. Those pickups sound weird, there's a potential for feedback, and so on and so forth. ...and let's be realistic about this: They really aren't acoustic; they are electric. 😐 Being an old fart, I'm also not much for the active electronics which so many electric guitars and basses feature today, because I really don't care for having to rely on batteries... and nor do I enjoy buying batteries (particularly not at today's post-hyperinflation covid era prices... and everyone here knows that I'm the same way about - analogous - valve oil for brass instruments, and by now everyone here knows what I'm buy instead of so called valve oil.)

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Yes. I like the sound of the big Peavey (15 in speaker and at least 150W) that I bought from my son and fixed up, but it's ridiculously heavy. I used it last weekend on a ballroom dancing gig in a gigantic church gym, but I just don't know how often I'm going to be using it. The 12-inch Polytone (60 watts I'm thinking) from the early 80s (with an only 13 inch cabinet) is much more manageable both in size and weight, and that was probably just about the heaviest thing that is that small never made, because the secret to it offering forth a beautiful round sound is the gigantic magnet on the back of its 12-inch speaker. That's the one that I dragged all over the UK and the Netherlands back in 1984. A friend of mine built me a 17x17 aluminum box for it - as well as an aluminum case that fit around my bass case - whereby I was able to toss both of those underneath all of the airplanes...but also - back then - I believe that people who loaded planes did so with a bit more care and pride... Something else is that - prior to 9-11 - a person could tip a porter, and he would take a passenger's stuff directly to the airplane.
My F tuba (the only tuba I owned at that time) went on that same tour, (believe it or not) in one of those crappy old wooden cases with a little bit of extra foam rubber inside...no damage.
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prodigal wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:19 am
bloke wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:17 am
prodigal wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:10 am Any recommended brands/makes of bass guitars?
anything with a good neck.
The neck of an electric bass is equivalent to the slide of a trombone.

Dirty electronics or even crummy electronics (which can be swapped out for not much money) are sort of like trombone bell dents. Trombone bell dents can be repaired really nicely and everything is just fine, but significant slide dents - even with the most artful trombone slide repair people - can often end up still being there in the background.

The same goes with a guitar neck which can't quite ever be straightened perfectly.

That said, many of them that are bowed downwards in the middle straighten up beautifully when someone - who knows what they're doing - cranks a little bit on the steel truss rod inside the neck.

The neck on my particular electric bass is ridiculously good. Having to concentrate on all of these oddly-written charts that I'm handed (which might combine bass clef, treble clef, chord symbols, and even word sentences - telling me to play the verse again or play the chorus again or some other instruction), I just don't need to be "aware" of having to play the instrument...and the same goes for all of my instruments.
Weird semi-related question: Can Classical guitar necks be straightened. My favorite's is getting a little to high. No truss rod on this one.
I suspect, they have to have their fretboard removed carefully and then the neck would have to be planed. It needs to be a good enough instrument so as its worth it, I would think... Ramirez or some other top maker, yes?

My own classic guitar that I own today is sort of an oddball:
It's an American made Guild :bugeyes: it's a very good instrument, but this is not what I Guild is known for.
If it's neck were to warp, I believe I would be tempted to toss it, even though Guild (particularly in those days) was a highly respected maker. :smilie6:

My mother owned a Supertone F hole archtop (prior to Sears settling in on the name Silvertone) bought from Sears, and I'm sure it was made in the old Harmony factory (I believe the Kay basses were built there as well, correct?). It has some issues including the neck. I probably would have given it to someone to fool with, were it not my Mom's.
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prodigal wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 10:20 am At least semi-straightened, I just need it a little flatter in 9-12 position.
You know that if it's bowed up, you can have the frets taken down, but otherwise, I guess you could replace the frets with taller frets... Surely that's cheaper than planing or shimming the neck.
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It's a Kremona from Bulgaria, I could probably replace it cheaper than fixing it, I just like it.
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Re: Learn to play the bass guitar.

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prodigal wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2026 11:25 am It's a Kremona from Bulgaria, I could probably replace it cheaper than fixing it, I just like it.
"Liking" (whether or not sensible) is (at least) a better reason than "NOT liking it".
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