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terrible Jupiter sousaphone

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Not only was that two-piece (under engineered, in my opinion) sliding body elbow brace trashed, but the inside and outside tubes on a small side of that skinny main tuning slide (with the water key) were hopelessly seized. I had to toss them in the scrap brass, go into my junk and cut a pair of Olds tubes down to the required length, and swap that side out. Of course, I had to dial in the alignment on everything. :eyes:
Mrs. bloke dragged me off today to an "event", which wore me out. I crashed when I got home. I went out there late (she is still crashed) and was determined at least repair this one sousaphone (which is the first one of the last of the universities), and the worst of this particular school's sousaphones. Okay, I can go to bed feeling like I (at least) started on this school.

I'm actually not finished with this instrument, but what's left to do is a bunch of nothing...just dent removal, corks and felts, and one easy-to-install brace.

At least the main tuning slide is functional again and slides easily.
I've got the replacement half of the body elbow brace slid in place and ready to solder that big flange to the body elbow, but it's a little bit easier with Mrs bloke helping: If she rests the female bell connector of the body down against the floor - and holds the sousaphone body upside down, gravity pushes that flange firmly up against the elbow for me to solder it in place...so tomorrow, then
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Re: terrible Jupiter sousaphone

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Followed by the Uranus branded sousaphones.
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Schlitzz wrote: Sat Jul 26, 2025 11:28 pm Followed by the Uranus branded sousaphones.

I'm not fond of this make, but I stick them back together in exchange for filthy lucre.
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I found all sorts of things to do today (Sunday). to procrastinate, but finally went out and faced that instrument, and it's done...
If those fine young scholars shine it up, it might even look good.

One thing I didn't do was go listen to someone wearing a robe and hollering at me over a microphone tell me that I'm going to Hell because I'm not progressive enough... I probably am - because I'm probably not, but I only subject myself to such screeds when I'm being paid - you know: like the guy wearing the robe (and the guy outside wearing the orange jacket) are being paid.
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bloke wrote: Sun Jul 27, 2025 3:13 pm I found all sorts of things to do today (Sunday). to procrastinate, but finally went out and faced that instrument, and it's done...
If those fine young scholars shine it up, it might even look good.

One thing I didn't do was go listen to someone wearing a robe and hollering at me over a microphone tell me that I'm going to Hell because I'm not progressive enough... I probably am - because I'm probably not, but I only subject myself to such screeds when I'm being paid - you know: like the guy wearing the robe (and the guy outside wearing the orange jacket) are being paid.
I wish you could have found someone in a robe who instead said God loves you and understands your frustration in dealing with all this Jupiter sousaphone b*******.
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Thanks for the kind words. :thumbsup:

broken cars...broken air-conditioners, broken sousaphones...When they're fixed, they're fixed...until they're torn up again (OK...I suppose that's a whole lot like human souls). btw...I do believe in a "something greater than myself" as well as "intelligent design" - as the evidence is overwhelming so as to be undeniable, but I'm also going to be automatically suspicious of any big-money "non-profit", and this includes "organized" religion.

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LOL...This school bought a bunch of Yamaha sousaphones (via a one-year head band director :eyes: ). I'm not particularly fond of Yamaha consumer-grade instruments (valves) either, but here's what's funny:

Out of all of their sousaphones (most of which were in good enough condition to NOT bring back here for repair), two of the (only) four that we brought in to repair were the two random Jupiter sousaphones that the school owns.

(This university - decades ago - bought a whole bunch of "overhauled" Reynolds sousaphones. The first year they gave me a shot at their repair work was when I went through all of those ancient sousaphone and brought them back all working well and even looking "pretty darn good". Two of them - which they handed to me "to use for parts" - were repaired and returned to the school in the same good/playable condition as all the rest.)
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About twenty years ago when I was playing tuba in a regional university community band, I happened to get to rehearsal one evening early enough to see the then-brand-new sousaphones for the marching band being uncrated. Since I played, they let me observe and even help unpack one out of the box. They were Jupiters. As I picked up the bugle, the metal was so thin it almost bent in under my fingers. I had the thought that these would never last. I didn't ever follow up to see if they did, but this thread is consistent as being the end result of what I observed from the front end unpacking a new one.
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For quite a while, the outer larger branches of Jupiter sousaphones are quite thick, but the inner ones (beginning with #3, which is the one that rests on one's shoulder) are thin. (That having been said, the King sousaphones have been quite thin for quite a long time.) When they hang the Jupiters or Kings on things that aren't really designed for hanging sousaphones, the branch that sits on the player's shoulder ends up being caved in, and I have to fix those back round again. I'm pretty good at it, as I have to do it so often. The bells are thick (enough) these days. The old Jupiter valves (that would collect brass oxide from the casings) were otherwise trouble-free, but what I think I've observed is that - now that they've changed the way they build the pistons - I'm thinking that they also tightened up the tolerances but without stepping up the fit... so now I have to repair quite a few casings.
A long time Jupiter problem - which continues on into the present - is that the brace flanges are (in my opinion) too thin, as well as the tension ring for the neck receiver being made out of sheet metal instead of something thicker. The Jupiter pot metal water keys are annoying, because when they break they are not repairable. Another really annoying thing with Jupiter sousaphones is the body elbow brace system, which is quite fragile and annoyingly troublesome to repair or replace.

For an economy sousaphone, the Jupiter price is pretty fancy, in my view.
JP sousaphones (and I'm biased, because I sell them) feature much nicer valves and slides, and I can beat Jupiter prices by thousands of dollars. JP sousaphones have one Achilles heel. It is that the ring that braces the lower mouthpipe isn't as tough as the one on the genuine King, but - of course - this would never break would students loosen the tension screw when inserting and removing the neck... :smilie6:
JP sousaphones are a pound or two heavier than (new) King, and the sheet metal of the branches is a bit thicker than King. Again, JP sousaphone valve sets are really well made. Of course they're only three valves, but they're good enough (quality-wise) to put on a professional use frankentuba and to be proud of the valves and slides.
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